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Ian MacCosley
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Topic: MicroYa SearchPosted: Feb/08/2008 at 3:07pm |
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Get ready for Microsoft/Yahoo, which I just coined: MicroYa Search
It’s going to happen. The board, I’ve heard, is being told to take the Microsoft deal. A Yahoo Google Deal would not be a good choice for Yahoo in the long run. Yahoo would see a monthly decline in search volume if they were to outsource to Google This happened with AOL, when it went to Google search in 2002. AOL has dropped from 30% to less than 5% market share. Expect Yahoo to take the same hit over time. Best offer $31/share No one is going to step in with a competing acquisition offer to what Microsoft put on the table last Friday. Edited by Ian MacCosley - Feb/08/2008 at 3:08pm |
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Posted: Feb/12/2008 at 2:50pm |
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Don't you think this would be great? To have competition for Google? I don't think either Yahoo or Microsoft alone are enough competition. Perhaps combined, with their content network and integrated search, they just might get some market share from Google.
Still, its just a bet. And Google has already launched attacks on Microsoft's dominance in OS and Office Applications while they continue to dominate the search market.
Google is the Tiger Wood of Search.
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Posted: Feb/13/2008 at 2:18pm |
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Interesting but I hear Yahoo rejected the offer. |
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Negotioniations is a game of cat and mouse.
Yahoo heard that Microsoft was originally going to offer $35 per share. Once the board caught wind of that, they decided to re-evaluate the offer. But Microsoft isn't going to out bid itself by more than $1 per share. And the board will feel pressure, because Yahoo stock will drop back to pre-Microsoft offer levels. Yes, Steve Ballmer will win Yahoo for Microsoft. And the EU will yelp as usual. |
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Posted: Feb/14/2008 at 4:21pm |
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Funny thinn I read today, "Yahoo is a Web 1.0 search engine in a Web 2.0 world."
Fact is that Yahoo doesn't have growth potential on its own, it needs spark from a big sugar daddy like Microsoft not News Corp. Morgan Stanley and Blackstone are backing the Microsoft side of the deal and Lehman Brothers are advising Yahoo. Taubman of Morgan Stanley is a deal closer. Especially since there are $220M in feeds at stake. This deal will not go away soon. Edited by Ian MacCosley - Feb/14/2008 at 4:21pm |
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Posted: Feb/18/2008 at 8:59am |
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The sad thing is that even if the deal goes go through, all income issues for the parties involved aside, the consumer is left with two “search engines” that even combined will not improve their quality one bit as compared to Google.
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Microsoft and Yahoo executives took another run at trying to ignite formal merger talks this weeks, but failed to make any progress. Microsoft has no intention of raising its bid and Yahoo stockholders are beginning to see their stock price errode due to uncertainty. Yahoo stock price has moved from around $19 before the merger announcement to $30 after the announcement. Today the stock is in the low $27s Edited by Ian MacCosley - Apr/04/2008 at 12:23pm |
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Posted: Apr/07/2008 at 11:42am |
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President of Microsoft, Steve Ballmer is threatening to initiate a proxy battle and potentially lower the price of its original bid of $31.
Ballmer sent a letter venting his frustration for not yet having worked out a deal. He added, "if an agreement isn't reached in three weeks", he would take Microsoft's case directly to Yahoo! shareholders and launch a proxy battle to elect alternative directors to Yahoo!'s board.
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Posted: Apr/08/2008 at 4:31pm |
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Now Yahoo! Inc. rejected Microsoft's three week deadline. Roy Bostock (chairman of Yahoo's board) said, "We continue to believe that your proposal is not in the best interests of Yahoo! and our stockholders."
Wonder what the sotckholders will say in three weeks? I bet Roy is handed his walking papers because he can't possibly make the stock move in the stockholders favor as well as Microsoft can.
What's that saying again about Money? Oh yea, Money Talks, bullsheet walks.
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Posted: Apr/08/2008 at 4:35pm |
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Ya, I mean, MicroYA!
Roy, what is in the stockholders favor? Lower stock price forever? Yahoo has proven, despite all that it had done, that they can not compete with Google for search business.
Time for some help from Big Bad Ballmer to go after Google in the biggest way.
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Posted: Apr/09/2008 at 4:47pm |
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Google needs some competition already...
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Posted: Apr/09/2008 at 4:55pm |
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Yahoo! talks Google about search ads. - WSJ Microsoft has Yahoo! on the run. Now Yahoo! is talking to its arch nemesis, Google. They say they want to evaluate 'revenue alternatives' to Microsoft Corp's unsolicited takeover bid.
Yahoo! and Google have no comment because there isn't anything to see or do with each other. The whole idea is a made for TV anti-trust miniseries. I don't think the feds will go for it. Roy is in a real stretch with this idea.
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Posted: Apr/10/2008 at 9:27am |
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Yahoo! is scrambling. Today there is talk of AOL and News corp. It looks like the top executives are panicking.
Panic generally isn't a good thing.
Only one company in the world loves Yahoo! enough to buy it.
There is no other way to unlock shareholder value.
The deal is inevitable. Edited by Ian MacCosley - Apr/10/2008 at 9:36am |
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Posted: Apr/10/2008 at 10:00am |
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This just in from Microsoft Legal:
Any deal between Yahoo and Google would "consolidate 90 percent" of the online ad market in Google's hands, Microsoft's top lawyer warned. |
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Posted: Apr/11/2008 at 11:19am |
Imagine if Microsoft managed to buy a combined AOL / Yahoo. Perhaps then somebody will be able to compete with Google. Edited by alexjsolis - Apr/11/2008 at 11:21am |
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Posted: Apr/11/2008 at 5:03pm |
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So now John Dvorak chimes in..
"First of all, since the proposed deal has descended into bitter bickering, I cannot see how this merger would benefit Microsoft. Yahoo employees will rebel against their new overlords, causing trouble."
I have to say that bickering employees don't last. Also, Microsoft isn't buying Yahoo for its employees. With all du respect, I think Mr. Dvorak has missed the point.
Microsoft wants Yahoo as an internet property, and search engine. Not because they have great employees.
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Posted: Apr/11/2008 at 5:29pm |
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There is always the option that Microsoft thinks of Yahoo as a cursed white whale in which case....
"From hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee." - Moby Dick
But most likely it's "just" about money. LOL
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Posted: Apr/15/2008 at 4:08pm |
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If the MicroYa deal is to going happen at all, analysts think that itll happen this week. This is according to CNET.
Yahoo may be feeling the pressure of two deadlines: Q1 finacial reporting and Microsofts latest ultimatum deadline
I would not be a buyer of YHOO here.
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Posted: Apr/15/2008 at 4:30pm |
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Next Week ! WOW.
I just hope my Flick account can last a few more years.
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Posted: Apr/28/2008 at 4:55pm |
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Microsoft Corp.'s most likely next step is a hostile bid for Yahoo Inc. now that Microsoft's self-imposed deadline for a deal -
Saturday - has passed.
A proxy fight, which Microsoft has already threatened, seems likely. Microsoft could replace a majority of Yahoo's board of directors. Edited by Ian MacCosley - Apr/28/2008 at 4:56pm |
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Posted: Apr/28/2008 at 5:25pm |
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Yahoo thinks it can win a proxy fight, but what if Microsoft walks away from the deal?
Yahoo stock will drop like tube socks on Kate Moss. 19.05 was th price YHOO was trading on Jan 30, before Microsoft announced its intention. It shot up to 29.98 on Feb 14. Ever since it has traded in the $26-$29 range.
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Posted: Apr/29/2008 at 1:54pm |
Interesting that this is coming from an attorney for a software company that controls over 90% of the desktop OS and Office suite market. The pot calls the kettle and has itself felt the heat of that one during the last few years.
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Posted: Apr/29/2008 at 3:38pm |
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Yep the only thing bigger than a Microsoft - Yahoo Deal would be a Google - Yahoo deal, which may be some of the thinking coming from Microsoft. Do it to Google, before Google does it to them. |
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Posted: Apr/30/2008 at 10:42am |
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Microsoft still mulling the proxy fight.
Why offer more than the original $31 per share. Yahoo is stuck art $28 and if the deal falls through, their stock price will plummet! Yahoo is setting itself to piss off alot of shareholders. Edited by Ian MacCosley - Apr/30/2008 at 10:44am |
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Posted: May/02/2008 at 8:37am |
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Rumor is that today or Monday might bring some "hostile" action on this. Hostile in the form of an unsolicited bid that is. |
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Posted: May/02/2008 at 3:27pm |
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This just in: Yahoo wants $38 per share
Microsoft is willing to up it's bid to $33. |
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Posted: May/05/2008 at 1:47pm |
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"Clearly a deal is not meant to be," Microsoft Chief Executive Officer Steve Ballmer wrote in a letter to Yahoo CEO Jerry Yang. Ouch ! |
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Microsoft dropped its bid to buy Yahoo. Microsoft CEO Steve Balmer said "Yahoo's
potential decision to outsource some of its business to Google was too much to
take." Might be a good time to Yahoo, because in the End Microsoft will get Yahoo! |
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I was just reading a story where they were chatting about how this deal falling through, and the devaluation of Yahoo stock that followed, cost Jerry Yang $524.3 million, and David Filo $774.2 million.
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Heard on the Street Today:
BALLMER & ROY BOSTOCK (yahoo's chairman)are working this deal right now!!! Ballmer hasn't been heard of or word has it in the office...humm. Offsite?? B.Gates laying ground work, "this is ballmer's deal" and we have talent. HELLO BS... Everyone agrees both Ballmer and Yang blew it huge... MSFT needs YHOO. YHOO shareholders want the payout. DEAL WILL GET DONE >> Cha-Ching Edited by Ian MacCosley - May/07/2008 at 5:10pm |
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Activist shareholder Eric Jackson, who had been urging Yahoo! to accept a deal with Microsoft, is calling for shareholders to unseat the board by withholding their vote.
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I still think a deal gets done with Microsoft.
Pay strict attention to the comments from both sides about exactly what went down in these negotiations. Be prepared for Yahoo's July 3 shareholders meeting and Carl Icahn. He might just convince the board that Yang's lack of coming off the $37 per share price was not negotiations at all. Microsoft increased its bid, YHOO did not. |
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Icahn managed squeak by Yahoo!'s deadline to nominate candidates for the board. Yahoo! had set the date for the end of the day Today! A tight turnaround for anyone trying to push through his or her own slate.
Next event, Yahoo!'s annual shareholder meeting, set for July 3.
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Did you all know that Microsoft loses money each quarter on their ads program?
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The NYT reported that Microsoft is discussing a partnership or joint venture for search-related advertising.
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Bottom line: If the best idea Microsoft has is to buy Yahoo, which after a search of "Computer Rental Tips 2008", I think is one of the worst search engines out there, I think they they will continue to be pummeled by Google.
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I think Steve is brilliant. He is going to get Mr. Softee and the Yahooligans to work together on a project. Then when no one is looking, he fills the board with men and ideas from little-soft.
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Third Point LLC, a $5.7 billion hedge fund headed by activist Dan Loeb, has recently accumulated a stake of over 5 million shares in Yahoo Inc and is supporting investor Carl Icahn's proxy battle.
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"Microsoft has proposed buying Yahoo and will then take a stake in the company, after Yahoo sells its Asian assets, including Alibaba."
Yea right, just another way to back door this deal. And this deal will happen! I stand by what I have been saying since Feb 8th.
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Ah yes, my mate, Danny Sullivan puts the deals that Yahoo is doing with Microsoft and Google in his search engine land website.
It's a pretty good comparison of each deal broken out by major categories. By far, shareholder value is unlocked sooner, rather than later, with the Microsoft deal. |
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Microsoft buyout talks are on.
"The information we have is thin, but what one source is saying (is) that Microsoft is talking a price lower than the $33 they were offering (per share) when the talks disintegrated in May" I'm sure the yahoo investors are happy that they are rekindling. Source: Reuters |
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Ah yes, the Soap Opera Continues...
The latest is a Wall Street Journal story reporting that Microsoft (MSFT) is trying to convince media partners like News Corp. (NWS) and Time Warner (TWC) to make a bid for Yahoo! (YHOO). |
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With Yahoo trading at 21.58 at the time I posted this, I'm betting MSFT offer of 31 is looking pretty good to everybody.
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This deal will go Thur but i don't think this will increase yahoo's share of the search market as much as some think. I don't know about you all but i don't like that it takes 2-3 seconds longer for yahoo's search page to load. They have so much crap that loads when you go to there website that it is just easier to go to google and type what you are looking for. If Microsoft takes over yahoo i would suggest streamlining there web page to load faster and get rid of all the extra baggage.
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My homepage is set to Yahoo, but for searches i primarily use google. There have been a couple times where I haven't been able to find what i'm looking for using only google. Yahoo has a decent search engine and usually returns a little different results from Google.
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Microsoft general counsel Brad Smith on Tuesday accused Yahoo Inc.'s CEO Jerry Yang of conspiring with Google Inc. to freeze Microsoft out of Internet-search advertising making the market a duopoly. He said, Yahoo and Google want to keep out competition in the multibillion-dollar search-advertising market. Brad Smith urges anti-trust regulators and lawmakers to reject the Yahoo-Google partnership.
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Microsoft crying about a monopoly?
To bad.
LOL
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Now I could see Google making Yahoo a better product. I can't however see two bad products like Microsoft and Yahoo helping each other do anyting than make a ... larger bad product.
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Machiavellian Microsoft is cunning and devious.
Step 1: Deny you want something, lowering its value because no one else wants it Step 2: Undermine the board from within Step 3: Let direction less company stock drop to the teens and offer $20 or so. Step 4: Enter search marketing business with a product that needs much work, but is far better than existing technology. |
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Does Yahoo need Microsoft? was asked on CNBC.
Both companies need each other. This deal is not dead, there will be a microya someday soon. |
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Google, Yahoo Postpone Ad Deal, For Now, stock traing at $14.75.
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A half a year later....
Where is the beef?
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Now that Microsoft plans to buy back $40 billion of its own stock in the next few years, I am not so sure.
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Microsoft chieftain Steve Ballmer said this morning that a Redmond takeover of Yahoo would still "make sense economically" for shareholders of both companies, causing Yahoo's stock price to jump as high as 12 percent to over $13 per share, after opening the day under $12.
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Was it an off-the-cuff comment? Or a not-so-subtle signal to come back to the negotiating table? Only Ballmer knows for sure. One thing is certain: battered Yahoo shareholders have been punished enough.
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I will never forgive Yahoo / Yang for turning over the e-mail of a few monks to the Chinese government. This story about a year old but even our congress called Yahoo "spineless and irresponsible”.
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Posted: Dec/01/2008 at 12:27pm |
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I still think Microsoft will pickup Yahoo. Seems like every month they wait, they save a Billion Dollars.
Can't blame them for waiting for Yahoo! to go on bankruptcy sale.
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Posted: Dec/11/2008 at 5:16pm |
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1500 Yahoo workers were let go today, the news is there may be more cut backs coming up soon.
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Posted: Dec/12/2008 at 1:33pm |
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What is Qi Search? Never heard of it.
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Posted: Jan/09/2009 at 3:13pm |
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From a Danny Sullivan Tweet:
"Steve Ballmer is now saying that a deal should happen within the next few months, due to Microsoft and Yahoo having new “leaders” in place."
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Posted: Jan/13/2009 at 10:46am |
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I think some deal, maybe not an outright purchase, but something has to happen to compete with Google.
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Posted: Jan/14/2009 at 10:39am |
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With Carol Bartz taking over as new Yahoo CEO, maybe the Microsoft deal will happen.
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Posted: Jul/29/2009 at 9:07am |
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well, its not exactly what I expected, but indeed Microsoft and Yahoo confirmed today that they will work together.
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Posted: Jul/29/2009 at 9:12am |
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Today Microsoft and Yahoo made it official. The two companies
announced a 10-year pact where Microsoft will power Yahoo search.
Yahoo
also becomes the sales force for Microsoft’s premium properties.
Carol Bartz, “boatloads of value for our users and
industry.” Boatloads? Not sure if I would call it boatloads since together they are still only 10% of the search market. Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer says the Yahoo deal gives Bing
the scale to compete and I agree.
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Posted: Jul/29/2009 at 9:24am |
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Bartz, boatloads of value for our users and industry. Boatloads? Not
sure if I would call it boatloads since together they are still only
10% of the search market. More like car trunk loads.
Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer says the Yahoo deal gives Bing the scale to compete and I agree to the extent of 10% vs 5%. There is also the risk that some users will turn to Google because they don't like the new combined product. Risky move, but its their (Microsoft and Yahoo) only good move. |
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Posted: Jul/29/2009 at 9:52am |
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AdAge is claiming that Bing will have 30% of the market, compared to Google's 65%
That might be worldwide, but the real economic impact is in NA and Europe where Google Dominates!
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Posted: Jul/29/2009 at 11:56am |
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This is my favorite point raised in an article on the deal in Yahoo Finance
Microsoft's AdCenter is expected to be the sales-technology platform. So Yahoo's sales force is responsible for sales and execution but they'll be using Microsoft's technology platform to do it. Add another couple of months. (What if the tech platform doesn't work right? Who will Yahoo's salespeople yell at? How will Microsoft's engineers feel when they're yelled at by Yahoo's ad salespeople? How quickly will they demand to be transfered to another Microsoft division, one where developers don't have to answer to Yahoo salespeople?) It sounds like its going to be a big mess and if Yahoo was not doing all that well to begin with what's the logic of leaving their sales force/structure in place? |
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Posted: Aug/27/2009 at 5:10pm |
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This is one of the greatest ideas ever lol
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